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Mon221B ([personal profile] fangirl_says) wrote2008-05-27 08:53 pm

Creation says Samantha Ferris is too 'working class' for them

Hrm...looks like Creation screwed up (I know, I'm just as shocked as you are!)

From Samantha Ferris's blog:

I should clarify for you here, Carrie....this is certainly no attack on the volunteers...i know the long hours and hard work you put in and i respect you all greatly put in.....my frustration is with the guys putting it in. I find there antics a bit slimy and not 'above board', I'm afraid. Can't speak for the other guests, but after the convention in Chicago (which we rocked at) i was told that i would not be invited back because they heard me say on stage that i was a bartender in the past and they thought that was a little too 'working class' for a guest on their stage. Then they invited me last minute to LA and renegged for reasons that weren't clear. For the Dallas convention, we had a deal, they promoted my appearance and then backed out on a couple of details. So we had to bail out. So you can understand my frustration, right? LOVE the volunteers at conventions...it would never happen without them and they do it all for no money. My hats off to them all.....but the boys at the top need to check their 'decency meter'.....cause it's a bit low.
Wow. Said it wasn't going to dish...and there i did. kinda felt good...in a mean, slightly bitchy kinda way......but its all true and i stand by every word.
By sam ferris @ 27 May 2008 10:15 am



Emphasis mine, and wtf, being a bartender is 'too working class'?

From here.

[identity profile] morganslady.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
So what she was a bartender!! I don't care what she did before Supernatural.. Those running the con need a reality check.

[identity profile] fangirlsays.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
Not to mention that there's nothing wrong with being a bartender -- it's a perfectly respectable job!

[identity profile] morganslady.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 01:15 am (UTC)(link)
Don't I know it my dad was one for 25 years!!!

[identity profile] blackjedii.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 01:13 am (UTC)(link)
She is clearly not up to Jared or Jensen's standards, as hte two boys show up in limos and have a butler to walk Jared's dogs while he sits and gets his hair pampered every hour because those photoshoots are just so tough. And Jensen can totally not take time from his busy schedule hiring professional golfers to golf for him while he watches from his own personal sattelite feed from his huge mansion in LA.

In short... bzuh?

[identity profile] fangirlsays.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 01:15 am (UTC)(link)
Ha! Seriously. I had heard Nick Brendan was treated badly at the Chicago SPN con last year; looks like it wasn't just a fluke.

[identity profile] blackjedii.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
I remember that. It seemed like the guy was in a rough mood already too.

I want to go to a con now... but I can't afford it!! Maybe it is for the best if the con-makers are so nutty.

[identity profile] muses-circle.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
Sam is way too graceful and elegant, especially in light of this obvious slam against her "working class" past.

Um, do these people not get that the majority of actors today have come from working class roots?

[identity profile] fangirlsays.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
Yep, and so are most of the people who /go/ to their cons. Sheesh, what idiots.

[identity profile] muses-circle.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
*eyeroll* Whatever, man. This is why I don't attend cons (the time and money angle aside).

[identity profile] atiko.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 01:29 am (UTC)(link)
The mind boogles. She's an actor and the fans love and want to see her, what on earth has a previous job as bartender to do anything with that? I can't believe how disrespectful those "boys at the top" act towards their guests - especially since they managed to insult the entire "working class" by implying they have no place on a stage.

*headdesks*

[identity profile] fangirlsays.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 01:31 am (UTC)(link)
Seriously. Man, they're not doing themselves any favors by insulting someone the fans love so much -- and the fans themselves!

[identity profile] thirdsouthobbi.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 01:38 am (UTC)(link)
I'd love to see what they think of my job. I'm a fucking custodian.

[identity profile] fangirlsays.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 01:44 am (UTC)(link)
I've cleaned bathrooms at McDonalds. There's no shame in honest work. Creation's the one that's screwed up.

[identity profile] thirdsouthobbi.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 01:52 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, I know :) I just think it's awful that they said that.
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[personal profile] zillah975 2008-05-28 01:59 am (UTC)(link)
Makes me feel all validated for having hated them all this time.


I'd rather have been wrong. :(

[identity profile] onci-dium.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
The FUCK???? Okay, if I ever had considered spending money on a Creation Con, that went out the window as of now.


So... she's too working class to promote a show about working class guys? Nice. Real nice.

Fuck you and burn in meathook Hell, Creation

[identity profile] fangirlsays.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Meathook hell, mwahaha. :)

[identity profile] onci-dium.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 11:48 pm (UTC)(link)
That is my new place to send people ;)

And well, I could understand even if they had said she was being negative *ducks from the fangirls* Seeing as her last few appearances have been on the bitter-side. Not that I can blame her, but still. Not good for publicity

[identity profile] aeb.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 02:07 am (UTC)(link)
{Pause}

I wonder how many modern actors meet their exacting standards of the Proper Guests they host on their stages?

Personally, I'm guessing not too many. {wry look}

Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
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[identity profile] zoniduck.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 03:26 am (UTC)(link)
You know, I think it says something that I have absolutely no problem believing that Gary and his goons would say something like this.

Also? My mom put a roof over our heads and food on the table as a bartender from the time I was 8 years old until the day she died. I am personally offended at their attitude.

[identity profile] fangirlsays.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 10:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I haven't been wild about Creation for awhile, especially since they let the fake Master Sargent dupe four actors in two different fandoms (and then refused to own up to it.) NO CLASS.

[identity profile] piratesorka.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 04:47 am (UTC)(link)
What the hell is wrong with working class people? I know lots of people who have had to work in the service industry like waitresses or bartenders. Plenty of actors depend on that sort of work to survive on in their early years.

But then you are talking about CREATION and in my opinion that is one fucked up group.

[identity profile] fangirlsays.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I've been very unimpressed with Creation for awhile, but this seems like a new low for them. *snarly*

[identity profile] sorchar.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 04:59 am (UTC)(link)
God, I've heard so many bad things about Creation. This is just another example of why they suck.

[identity profile] fangirlsays.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Apparently, they're all about aiming for all-new levels of suckitude.

[identity profile] the0neru.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 09:11 am (UTC)(link)
been hearing nasty things about creation for years now... just one more item in the 'bad' column. i don't get the whole 'class' slam, though - i mean, it's only in the last 50 years or so that *acting* has become considered a respectable profession. asshats.

[identity profile] fangirlsays.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, that seems like a really random thing for them to latch onto, you know?
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[identity profile] aecamadi.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 12:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I wonder what's "too" working class for these guys. Would they have invited a former printer? Or a one time brick loader and road-line painter? How about an ice-cream scooper?

[identity profile] deansdemongirl.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 03:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I guess that would rule out actors who used to be carpenters before they became really famous..but then heck who wants to see Harrison Ford anyway LOL!
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[identity profile] aecamadi.livejournal.com 2008-05-29 01:31 am (UTC)(link)
Or rockstars that were grave-diggers, hospital porters or elementary school teachers. (Rod Stewart, Simon LeBon and Sting/Sheryl Crow respectively.)

[identity profile] spadada.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 12:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I know nothing about the convention runners, but it seems to me that Samantha Ferris often says things publicly that she should probably keep to herself. Things that make her look less than professional. (Last year's comments about Ellen being phased out spring to mind.) She's kinda like the Michael Muhney of the SPN cast.

[identity profile] fangirlsays.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 12:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I hadn't heard anything about Ellen being phased out; I did read that Samantha thought they waited too late to contact her for the late-season episode they wanted her in, and that she couldn't commit to one episode during pilot season. AFAIK, Ellen will still be coming back.

As for whether Samantha says things she should keep to herself...well, that's certainly possible. A couple of things she said at Eyecon surprised me, and I do think she may tend toward exaggeration. Then again, all we know of the situation is what we hear from her, so who knows?

Just asking

[identity profile] deansdemongirl.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 04:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Because I am a stickler for these kinds of things, but did you get Samantha Ferris' permission to repost her comment here?

I am asking because reposting people's comments from other sites without their permission is illegal and can be seen as a violation of LJ's terms of service.

Also to me it's always nice make sure to show someone the simple courtesy of asking them if they want their personal comments reposted other places before doing so. To me, it's the right thing to do not only because it is what the law of copyright is all about, but for the simple reason that it makes them aware of where the comments are going and how they are being used and if they want their comments reposted or not.

Re: Just asking

[identity profile] fangirlsays.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 06:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Assuming her blog is copyrighted (which it may not be; there's no statement of copyright that I can find there), quoting part of the text of someone's website and/or blog is covered under the Fair Use Act, which states that "the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright."

Now, that's American law, so if the blog is physically based in another country, the laws may vary somewhat. However, because there's no statement of copyright, or even a request that the information not be reposted elsewhere, AND I quoted one small part AND attributed it to her AND linked to the original source, AND I'm clearly not making any money from this post, I'm confident that I'm not doing anything illegal. Just as a reporter does not have to ask permission to quote what someone has said in the newspaper, no permission is needed here.

Re: Just asking

[identity profile] onecheekyhobbit.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 07:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah you sited your source, so you shouldn't have a problem.

Re: Just asking

[identity profile] deansdemongirl.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 09:48 pm (UTC)(link)
All original material whether posted to a public forum or not is copyrighted by the author and is not to be reposted in whole content without their permission. Her blog comment was made as separate and original material posting.

As for the fair use law, if you read it over you will see that 'fair use' only means that you can legally use a small portion of the original material of her blog comment posting. That would mean you can repost the first sentance or two but not the entire thing.

As for there being more serious things for me to worry about, I suppose that being concerned that Ms. Ferris could turn out to be someone who ends up filing a DMC violation report against Hancoll and have her entire LJ shut down because of copyright infringement isn't really all that serious in the grand scheme of things, but since I like hancoll and really enjoy reading her posts and her insights into things and would not want to see her lose her LJ because someone wasn't asked if they could have their highly personal and somewhat strong comments about an organization reposted elsewhere.

I'm not saying that Samantha Ferris would do this, but that is always the risk anyone runs when they repost the entire content of copyrighted material without permission.

It's also possible that it could turn out that this conflict of interest between Ms. Ferris and Creation could become a major legal issue and I just think it might be a good thing for Ms. Ferris to have more control over where her words go and be able to keep track of how they are responded to so she isn't blindsided by something that could cause her serious legal issues. I for one can see Creation having a serious issue with her comments costing them business or ticket sales.

I mean doesn't Samantha Ferris deserve that bit of courtesy considering she was open and forhtright with everyone on her blog. I guess I do consider this a serious matter and I do consider showing her that consideration something I would seriously like to see happen. She has been open and forthcoming with fans, why not show her the same courtsey by asking if her issues with Creation can be shared on other sites and reposted. It may very well be that she has no problem with that and will gladly give permission. But asking is always respectful and good thing to do not just for the person who owns the material but to cover yourself as well and protect your own LJ from being possibly taken away from you.

I'm sorry if that is too serious and I apologize for making anyone feel bad.

Edited 2008-05-28 21:59 (UTC)

Re: Just asking

[identity profile] fangirlsays.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)
All original material whether posted to a public forum or not is copyrighted by the author and is not to be reposeted in whole content without their permission.

You might have noticed that I didn't post it in whole. I posted a paragraph, which, again, is fair use.

That would mean you can repost the first sentence or two but not the entire thing.

I didn't post the entire thing. Again, I posted a paragraph. And whether or not it's the first two sentences or a paragraph near the end makes no difference. To be blunt, you're wrong.

Samantha Ferris is not going to file any sort of report about me for this post, because I clearly have not done anything wrong. LJ is not going to kick me off for quoting a person in my journal with proper attribution. She's a smart woman, and I'm sure if she didn't want her thoughts heard, she wouldn't have put them out there -- however, the point is still that I haven't done anything wrong here.

Re: Just asking

[identity profile] deansdemongirl.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 10:12 pm (UTC)(link)
You're right, I went back and looked and you did only repost a part of the blog. So technically that is fair use and I apologize to you for saying it wasn't.

But I still wish that Samantha Ferris had been asked her permission first before any part of her comment was reposted elsewhere especially over such a controvesial topic that could cause her problems with Creation. But she is a grown woman and is most likely aware of what might happen.

But hey I had your best interest at heart and was genuinely concerned that you might get hurt in all of this..maybe that counts for something right???

Re: Just asking

[identity profile] fangirlsays.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 10:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, but you know, your first comment was all about 'the right thing to do' and the illegality of me quoting someone in my journal, and your second quote hinted that I was being discourteous to SF /and/ that I could get tossed off LJ for it, so forgive me if I didn't read all of that as being concerned for me.
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Re: Just asking

[personal profile] zillah975 2008-05-28 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
It's a public blog and Hanncoll linked to it -- how on earth is that violating any trust? It's not like it was hidden or private or behind a lock of any kind -- Samantha Ferris is posting it to be read, and Hanncoll posted an excerpt and linked to the blog. This is what the internet is for, for heaven's sake.
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Re: Just asking

[identity profile] aecamadi.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
You are in dire need of a primer on what does and does not constitute Fair Use before you go dropping multi-paragraph lectures on the topic in other people's LJs. Fair use covers "criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research" and this post fulfills four or perhaps five of those criteria under even the broadest definitions and it is broad definitions which apply.

If you consider this a "serious matter" then you might try doing the serious reading to go along with it. Googling "Understanding Fair Use" would be a good start.


Re: Just asking

[identity profile] brianrubin.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 07:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Erm...Ms. Ferris posted this on an open, publicly accessible blog, and Hanncoll not only cited her as the source but put it in quotes...so what's the problem?
Edited 2008-05-28 19:08 (UTC)

Re: Just asking

[identity profile] glittered-sins.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 09:22 pm (UTC)(link)
"because I am a stickler for these kind of things..."


Get a life darling... there are more important things to worry over... seriously.

[identity profile] ebonypsyche.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 07:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry but Sam being a bartender makes her just more kick-ass in my book. Who the hell does Creation think they are?

I'm kind of glad that James isn't going to be at fangoria in June. Now I won't have to feel bad about the fact that I'm not going to anymore of their snobbish events.

*clings to eyecon*

[identity profile] fangirlsays.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I agree. And, I mean, the entire /show/ is about working-class, blue-collar, dirt-under-the-nails people. Gossip Girl, it's not. *g*

[identity profile] quasievil-bunny.livejournal.com 2008-05-28 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Typical of those Creation b*stards.

(Anonymous) 2008-05-30 04:53 am (UTC)(link)
guys....totally cool with you posting whatever i say, regardless of whether it's legal or not. The minute someone goes on record and says something ANYWHERE, i consider that fair game....but thank you for showing consideration and respect.

I didn't intend to turn this into a Creation asskicking, but i have to say that I had to smile when i read these.

xo

[identity profile] fangirlsays.livejournal.com 2008-05-30 07:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey, Sam! Uh...I'm assuming that's you, anyway. *g* I'm glad you're okay with me quoting you -- I figured you would be.

As for Creation, I think they deserve this asskicking and plenty more, from what I've heard of them. And if it made you smile, all the better. Take care! :D