The hubub regarding Sam and Ruby that everyone's wanking about

[fangirl_says]

You know, I'm all for taking a wait-and-see attitude about the whole situation between Sam and Ruby. But what I don't get is the level of animosity against the OP in this post. (ETA: Post has been bahleeted.) Jumpin' Jehovah, people, do you really need to crucify the person for having an opinion? Are conjecture and speculation about things that may come to pass now verboten?

This whole thing has already gotten nastier than most of the Wincest/anti-Wincest wank. If the situation actually does come to fruition, this fandom is going to explode.

Comments

Re: Oooo. Can I be your friend? Most Samgirls

[zillah975]

I'm cool with Kripke as a bastard, but I'm not okay with Sam as someone who would repeatedly rape a woman. Not at all. Maybe if Ruby managed to seduce him a couple times, but only if he subsequently, upon recognizing exactly what he's done, he broke into a million tiny pieces and spent the rest of his miserable life trying to make up for it.

'Cause really, there's no making up for that. Saving the world does not get you a "bye" to commit rape.

I'd love to see Sam's characterization become more complex, but not by adding "rapist" to his resume.

I believe the fact is that there is a large question

[katelennon.livejournal.com]

as to what, exactly is going on with Sam and Ruby. I don't see Sam sleeping with a Ruby possessing a 'real, live' girl. I could see him justifying that 'solace' with either some sort of brain-dead girl or one that just died- with Ruby taking ownership from the former owner.

I guess that's my point, not knowing the specific circumstances of a possible relationship makes any arguments for or against not terribly important until we get a canon clarification. If Sam is engaging in a sexual relationship, with a demon who is housed with a body that does not have it's original occupant in a lock down.. I respectfully submit that it could be some very interesting story. That's all I'm trying to get at.

Re: I believe the fact is that there is a large question

[zillah975]

not knowing the specific circumstances of a possible relationship makes any arguments for or against not terribly important until we get a canon clarification.

Ah. See, to me, that's what we do allatime, we discuss and argue about things that aren't 100% clear from canon. Fandom is constantly talking about "what if" and "do you think [this or that]" or "if John missed all those Christmases he's a terrible father" / "no he isn't, he was out there trying to save people and that trumps Christmas" and so on. I'm really bewildered why this one situation has so many people saying that we shouldn't have opinions about a "if he is/if he isn't" until we know for sure whether he is or isn't.

If Sam is engaging in a sexual relationship, with a demon who is housed with a body that does not have it's original occupant in a lock down.. I respectfully submit that it could be some very interesting story.

I agree. If the girl is no longer in the body, then sure -- though I'd be interested to know how Sam could be convinced that it was true, since everything we know so far says that the soul is still in the body even after the body should be dead.

Re: I believe the fact is that there is a large question

[katelennon.livejournal.com]

since everything we know so far says that the soul is still in the body even after the body should be dead.


Really? I must be missing something fairly substantial, then. I know that when a person 'comes back' as a ghost, you can forcibly dispatch it via their remains, but other than that- I can't think of where I've seen that. Can ya help a fellow fan out?

Re: I believe the fact is that there is a large question

[zillah975]

Oh, I'm speaking only of when they're possessed. So far, the possessed people we've seen live long enough post-possession to make any indication have indicated that they were there and awake during the demon's exploits. Also, when Sam talks about the people he's saved with his scary no-Latin exorcisms, he implies that he's frequently managed to save the host as well, which would imply that the soul is present to resume control when the demon is gone. And when they exorcise Meg, Bobby tells them to be careful and not hurt her because there's an innocent girl trapped inside there. Bobby's the resident demon expert, so I'm thinking he's a reliable narrator on that score. All in all, it seems to add up to me to the soul remaining in the possessed body, and being aware of what's going on.

Ahhh. see I was thinking more in terms of a dead/comatose body

[katelennon.livejournal.com]

Not a (and I can't believe I'm even going to type this) garden variety possession.

Having written that, I think I'm going to lay down for a while. It's so very, very wrong. I'm going to go and lay down until I feel less horrible.. We're really getting to some very weird lines with this story.

Oy.