The hubub regarding Sam and Ruby that everyone's wanking about

[fangirl_says]

You know, I'm all for taking a wait-and-see attitude about the whole situation between Sam and Ruby. But what I don't get is the level of animosity against the OP in this post. (ETA: Post has been bahleeted.) Jumpin' Jehovah, people, do you really need to crucify the person for having an opinion? Are conjecture and speculation about things that may come to pass now verboten?

This whole thing has already gotten nastier than most of the Wincest/anti-Wincest wank. If the situation actually does come to fruition, this fandom is going to explode.

Comments

Re: Kripke or Sam?

[zillah975]

No, I meant Kripke and the writers. I could also see Kripke going forward with it after considering the implications, and fitting Sam's characterization to that -- using it as a way to show him going further down the path to the dark side.

Re: Kripke or Sam?

[esorlehcar.livejournal.com]

Given Meg's speech in AYTGIMDW, it's hard to believe the writers haven't thought about it. Then again, this team who is the same EPISODE suggested that Andy was using his powers to rape women and we should find it adorable, then showed Weber doing exactly the same thing and suggested we should find it horrible, so... consistency may be asking for too much.

I don't know. I can forgive Jared's recent comments because I doubt he's thought at all about the implications of it, but if it's introduced as a plot point on the show without making clear that what he's doing is rape, pure and simple, I'm going to be very unhappy.

which I am okay with.. I want some texture to Sam

[katelennon.livejournal.com]

He has been such a stalwart character in terms of his own innate goodness, that part of me very much wants to see Sam have to face his dark side. He is a prideful man and that's never been looked at in the show. He has many, many wonderful qualities, but he's no better or worse than Dean and I would relish the opportunity to see Sam have to address his less qualities, as it were. If (and I say this with my eyes closed and toes crossed) Kripke and Co. think this through carefully, they could really do something amazing.

Which makes me want to start a prayer chain for the writing staff at SPN.

Re: which I am okay with.. I want some texture to Sam

[zillah975]

See, I kind of get stalled on the idea of rape as adding "texture".

I'd love for Sam to confront his own dark side, but holy fucking Christ do I NOT think that making him a rapist is the way to do it. I just. If Kripke et al come along and tell us that Sam has been having sex with Ruby knowing that there's a girl in there with no way of either agreeing to or protesting what's happened to her, just trapped in her own body while Ruby and Sam use it to get off -- that's way, way, way past "texture" on smack in the middle of "I can't accept this in a character I'm supposed to care about." Also, I believe it would be wildly out of character for Sam. I would believe it if it were to start after Sam gave in to his dark side and became truly evil, but prior to that, it just isn't who he is. Nothing in the show has even come close to preparing me for a Sam who would do that.

You write that he's no better or worse than Dean, and I agree. I don't think Dean would rape a woman either.

I guess I'm not communicating well, which is par for the course with me.

[katelennon.livejournal.com]

If Sam is engaging in a sexual relationship with a possessed girl, he is a rapist and this character is destroyed, period.

That being said IF he is indeed in a sexual relationship with Ruby occupying a not!possessed body (one that is neither dead or in some sort of chronic persistent vegetative state) that's where I see the possibility of a texture to Sam.

Re: I guess I'm not communicating well, which is par for the course with me.

[zillah975]

*nods* I'd question whether "persistent vegetative state" would make it not rape, but certainly if the original owner of the body isn't there anymore and the only inhabitant is willing and able to consent, then yes, that would not be rape.

Also, that's a really cute icon. :)

That's a *great* question

[katelennon.livejournal.com]

Which us into a whole new area of discussion- one that I am woefully uneducated in, so I"m going to check with my sis- who is a Physicians Assistant (almost) and can give me a little background.

I love icons, they just make me happy.